Suppose Team A is offside, but the pass goes harmlessly to a Team B player who has tons of space. If I'm a fan of Team B, I'd rather my guy get to keep it, and start the attack without Team A getting its shape back. I'm just wondering if this is allowed.
And if it *is* allowed, under what circumstances might you use it?
SD this was disscussd in depth recently on another thread, a series of threads actually. The USSF position is advantage can only be applied to law 12 offences.
An offside offence is not actually "committed "if the referee allows play to continue. Although we could consider technical offences as against the law rather than the opposing team. I believe the position is in relation to what LAW 5 states and how the wording "team against which an offence is committed".
In your situation continued playing is ok as it is not an offence to be offside if you determine the offside player does not gain advantage, or interferes or participates then there is no advantage to be given. I consider it risky but not without precedence to allow a keeper to punt rather than play it off the ground when an offside positioned attacker is in the area so to speak.
Other nations interpret it differently and what one says is so does not mean the other is neccessarily wrong.
Remembering that I haven't memorized which law number refers to which infraction....
You're saying that allwoing play to go on is NOT playing advantage, but instead a case where the CR determines that no infraction has occurred, since not all elements of offside have taken place.
As G-bear has stated, when a referee allows play to continue when an attacker is clearly in an offside position, it is not an application of the advantage clause, but because in the referees opinion there was no infringement of LaW 11 which states that it is not an offense in itself to be in an offside positon.
An offense only occurs if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by a teammate, "IN THE OPINION OF THE REFEREE", the player is involved in active play by interfering with 1) play, 2) an oponent, or 3) gaining an advantage by being in that offside positon. For the AR to raise the flag and theCR to stop play requries both position and involvement judged by the CR.
In your example, the attacker has not become involved or gained an advatage as the ball went harmlessly to an opponent, therefore NO OFFENSE has occured. No call... nothing... nada.
This is not the same thing as a violation of Law 12, where an offense did actually occur, but the referee judges that whistling to stop play and restarting would give a greater adantage to the offender and be unfair to the victim, so he recognizes the foul by shouting "Play on Advantage" while swinging both arms forward, to signify that yes, he/she saw the dirty deed, and also, should the anticipated advantage fail to materialize within a few seconds, puts everyone on notice that the referee reserves the option of whistleing the stoppage, anyway, and restarting at the point of the original offense.
It is confusing because the word "advantage" is used in both, but the difference is critical. For example, no matter how many times a player is offside or called for an offside infraction, even if they do it a hundred times in the same match, they cannot be cautioned for persistant infringment (though I know a referee who did).
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On the other hand, a player who constatntly fouls opponents without effect so that play continues, even if the referee does not invoke the advantage clause, can be cautioned for persistant infringment in spite of the fact that his foul play has never caused a whistle.
A few years ago there was a player who was very skilled, but half the size of other players his age, so he would hack mercilessly, to little avail, thinking that most referees wouldn't call it. I ended up cautioning him for PI twice in one season. The first time was during the regular premier league season. Then, without realizing it was the same player, cautioned him at a tournament, again for PI.
Originally posted by superdave
Remembering that I haven't memorized which law number refers to which infraction....
You're saying that allwoing play to go on is NOT playing advantage, but instead a case where the CR determines that no infraction has occurred, since not all elements of offside have taken place.
I would agree that appears to be the USSF interpretation.
In the UK this appears to be interpreted differently in the EPL I have seen the APO (advantage play on signal given in offside situations and remain aware many of my UK colleagues do not consider the USSF approach as correct
LAW 11 is offside
LAW 12 is Fouls and Misconduct
SD most of the literal interpretation stems from the phrases I alluded to earlier in Law 5 the Referee. and the USSF ATR advice that relates to the portion of the law that states
LAW 5 Referee
Under the Authority of the referee
power and duties
Point 11
allows play to continue when the team against which an offence has been committed will benefit from such an advantage and penalises the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time.
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File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTMLGaining an advantage by being in that position. No Off-side interfering with the play”. In diagram 9, you’ll see how a player can go from not
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Gaining an advantage If the ball is played into the penalty area and rebounds OFFSIDE ESSENTIALS. Here are a few more things to remember. You can't be
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Whether you believe either to be right or wrong the result is the same play continues or it does not. I say again it is risky and can only see a very few situations where there truly is offside participation by an attacker for us to consider it is in the defender's BEST interest to allow play to continue.
Setting aside the symantics of "advantage," let's change the word to something else to get by this argument.
Offside is a very factual decision, not used with much ITOOTR; much like ball out of play. If the offside player does NOT gain an advantage by HIS action, it is not offside. If the defense gets the ball, possesses and maintains control, the offside consideration goes away. You can't play the "what if" game on offside. You don't play the "movement towards the ball" is "gaining an advantage" or "interferring with play." The concept of offside is very fundamental. . . illegal position + cheating by being in that position. If we play the "close enough" game, then we're victims of the "just being in an offside position" is grounds for being offside, and we know this is not allowed.
Be patient, if the defense gains possession of the ball with control, the offside goes away, even if the defense subsequently loses possession either by poor judgement, human mistake, or a good challenge by the opponent,. . even the previously offside opponent. Same applies if the ball goes out of play. . . the offside player never got "involved" in the play. No offside. Don't look for love in all the wrong places.
SuperDave - in the first phase of the move mentioned your original posting, as long as the Team A offside player does not make a play for the ball, the Referee will normally allow play to continue.
As soon as the Team B players gains control of the ball, the second phase of the move begins. In other words, the offside clock is rewound to zero, and the Team A player now becomes on-side and can legally challenge for the ball.
Allowing Team B to continue, is not so much an advantage. Because (in the opinion of the Referee) when the ball was originally passed forwards, the Team A player was in an offside position, but he was not penalised because at that precise time, he was not involved inactive play.
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Superdave here is a link to the thread mentioned in Grizzlierbear's post.
I think you'll find it quite a lively discussion and informative.
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17432&highlight=offside
yes, it is allowed. referee does not have to blow his whistle
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