What is required, (by either government) of a US citizen and spouse
who wish to move to Vancouver,Canada and retire there permanently, and
who can demonstrate a net worth of US$750,000?
Hi bodaboyce,
The Government of Canada provides an excellent website which will
answer most questions:
Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC):
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html
To immigrate to Canada, you need to fall into one of these groups:
1. Skilled Worker Class Immigration
2. Business Class Immigration
3. Family Class Immigration
4. International Adoption
5. Provincial Nomination
6. Quebec-Selected Immigration
Since you will be retired, that leaves you with one option, number 3.
Do you have any relatives in British Columbia who can sponsor you?
Even though you have enough money to support yourself, you will still
need to be sponsored by a relative.
"If you wish to become a permanent resident of Canada, your relative
or family member in Canada must first apply to sponsor you."
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/sponsor/index.html
There are many advantages to becoming a permanent resident, as you
would have most of the rights that Canadian citizens have under the
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (except run for political
office or vote) and that includes Canada's health care system. You can
apply for Canadian Citizenship after three years, but it is not
mandatory, and, it is not necessary to give up your US citizenship -
you will find many people who have "dual-citizenship", enjoying the
best of both worlds.
"The Permanent Resident Card (PR Card) is a new, wallet-sized, plastic
card. People who have completed the Canadian immigration process and
have obtained permanent resident status, but are not Canadian citizens
can apply for the Card."
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pr-card/index.html
So, to summarize, if you'd like to immigrate to Canada, the first step
is to find a relative who is willing to sponsor you as a member of the
"Family Class". The relative can be a son or daughter, brother or
sister, nephews or nieces, grandsons or granddaughters (if orphaned,
under 18 and unmarried) and aunt or uncle if unmarried.
You will find a Guide and Applications here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/family.html
However, you do not need to immigrate to live in Canada. It is not
unusual for American citizens to own property in Canada and spend a
good part of the year there. The best thing to do would be to go to
both the Canadian and American Consulates nearest you and get
up-to-date information tailored to your situation (you might need to
apply for a Visa for stays of more than 180 days).
One of the main considerations is health care and if you aren't able
to immigrate than you will have to carry your own health insurance to
cover any medical costs. If you have US$750,000 (you're a millionaire
in Canadian funds!) plus a pension and Social Security, you should be
able to live comfortably (although Vancouver is one of the more
expensive places to live in Canada).
Additional Links:
An American's Guide to Canada:
http://www.icomm.ca/emily/american.html
IRS: FAQ:
http://www.irs.gov/faqs/page/0,,id=15934,00.html
Tips for Travelers to Canada:
http://travel.state.gov/tips_canada.html
If you would like more information or if you are not satisfied with
what I have provided, please let me know before rating this answer,
and I will be happy to respond to your request. In that case, please
include a bit more of your circumstances - most importantly, are you
planning on applying for immigration? It's hard for me to go any
further without having more details on hand.
On a personal note, if I don't hear from you again, I would like to
wish you well in your new home. You'll grow to love Canada, its
quirkiness and all.
Sincerely,
hummer
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Hi, and thanks for your efforts.
I, too, discovered much of what you found, but I was put off by the
potential for getting 'sucked in' by a "consultants" that were the
sources of many links.
I am within 6 - 12 months of retirement, 66 years old, married, living
in Seattle. I have no pension, but SocSec, 400,000 in IRAs and
500,000 in home equity. We have thought to sell our home and find an
apartment/condo in Vancouver (question of renting or buying is "a
whole nother topic ...").
We would attempt to find a way to gain Canadian citizenship if it were
significantly more cost effective. Maintaining US citizenship would
be desireable if we could work within the Canadian 'system' of medical
care, taxes, etc. without much difficulty (shall we say no more than a
10-15% "penalty").
Clarification requested: What "up-to-date info" from American &
Canadian Consulates would (might) amplify what you've already found
for me?
You mentioned Vancouver is 'expensive', is that quantifiable, relative
to other locations in BC like Victoria, or ?
Might the Provincial Nomination (5.) be available to us?
A lot of information, Hummer-ga, for which I would be grateful, if
it's within the scope of the original $50 request.
regards,
bodaboyce
Hi again bodaboyce,
I'll happily try to answer all of you concerns - thank you for sending
along some of your background - it will help greatly. I understand
completely what you are saying about "consultants", and that is why
I'm going to repeat what I posted at the beginning of my Answer:
"The Government of Canada provides an excellent website which will
answer most questions:
Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC):
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html"
Don't confuse my recommendation to visit a "Consulate" with
"consultant" - two different things entirely. You should be able to
avoid consultants, but you shouldn't want to avoid Consulates.
I'll try to respond to your request for clarification as you posted
it.
"We have thought to sell our home and find an apartment/condo in
Vancouver (question of renting or buying is "a who"le nother topic
...")."
Rule # 1: Do not sell your home until you are absolutely 100% positive
everything is working out well in Canada and that is where you want to
stay. Can you rent out your home for the first year or two? Especially
if you end up applying for immigration, it is imperative that you do
not do anything drastic until all papers are "signed, sealed and
delivered".
"We would attempt to find a way to gain Canadian citizenship if it
were significantly more cost effective. Maintaining US citizenship
would be desireable if we could work within the Canadian 'system' of
medical care, taxes, etc. without much difficulty (shall we say no
more than a 10-15% "penalty")."
Don't get confused between immigration and citizenship. You must first
apply to immigrate to Canada, and then live there for three years
before applying for citizenship. As I said before, a legal immigrant
(who used to be referred to as a "landed immigrant" but that has been
changed to "permanent resident") has all the rights and privileges of
a Canadian citizen. So thinking about obtaining Canadian citizenship
is a bit premature for you now. It isn't something that one takes
lightly, or even for financial gains. Better that it come from the
heart after living in Canada for a while. Nothing changes after
becoming a citizen, other than being able to vote, the chance to serve
on jury duty, that sort of thing. Everything else, taxes, health care,
etc., are the same as when you were 'just' a permanent resident. This
is a very important distinction, and I want to make sure you
understand it.
Whether you are a permanent resident or a Canadian/US citizen, you
will still be obligated to pay Uncle Sam every April, and not only
that, you will also have to send Ottawa an income tax form. Yes, it is
true - you will have to fill out income tax forms for both countries.
If you do not apply to immigrate and remain just a visitor, Ottawa
will have no claim on your income. Normally, income from work is only
taxed by the country you are residing in (the US has a US$70,000 tax
exemption for Canadian work income), but the same can't be said for
investment income. This would be something to discuss with an
accountant and figure out the best way to proceed. Another reason to
keep your house rather than cashing it in perhaps.
Even if you become a Canadian citizen, you do not have to give up your
US citizenship. You would have dual-citizenship, something that can
come in very handy (except at tax time). But again, the only way to
begin the process is to find a relative willing to sponsor you for
immigration. I feel very certain of this fact, but a phone call or
visit to the consulate to confirm would be a good idea.
If you do not immigrate, than there is no "working within the Canadian
system". As a visitor, you would need to pay your way as any visitor.
Financially, immigrating is probably the way to go - the key is if you
have a Canadian relative or not. If not, do not despair, you can still
enjoy living in Vancouver, it will just never officially be your home.
Again, do not sell your house until you are absolutely positive it is
safe to do so. Another little thought, do not bring all of your cash
with you either. Keep your US financial account (money market bank
account or something like that) and have your social security go
directly into it. Then, you'll bring some cash up to Canada, as
needed, when the rate of exchange is to your advantage. Don't count on
the rate of exchange staying in the 1.55 range forever either. It
wasn't all that long ago that it was 1.35 - something to think about.
Well, all that blabbing and I haven't even started on your
clarification request yet!
Clarification requested:
1. What "up-to-date info" from American & Canadian Consulates would
(might) amplify what you've already found for me?"
For starters, they will be privy to any changes that are planned to
come into effect in the coming year which might effect you.
Aside from relevant applications & brochures for immigration, they
will be able to tell you more about what is needed to reside in
Vancouver without immigrating.
2. You mentioned Vancouver is 'expensive', is that quantifiable,
relative to other locations in BC like Victoria, or ?
I was comparing Vancouver with other cities in Canada. Housing prices
and rent have been on the rise from coast to coast, but Toronto and
Vancouver have always shared top billing for the cost of housing.
Think of the coast of southern BC, the Sunshine Coast, as Canada's
California and you will have a bit of an idea of its desirability.
Ofcourse everyone would love to live there (beautiful scenery, warm
climate, etc), but not everyone can afford to. That is what I meant by
"(although Vancouver is one of the more expensive places to live in
Canada)".
3. Might the Provincial Nomination (5.) be available to us?
No, I'm sorry. The Provincial Nominee Program of British Columbia
nominates immigrants who have the skills to fill specific British
Columbia jobs - it's not for retirees.
"A lot of information, Hummer-ga, for which I would be grateful, if
it's within the scope of the original $50 request."
No problem, bodaboyce. In case you can't tell, this is a topic of
particular interest for me and I've enjoyed trying to help you.
Don't be afraid to get in touch with the Canadian consulate in
Seattle:
Canadian Consulate General -- Seattle
412 Plaza 600
Sixth and Stewart Streets
Seattle, Washington 98101-1286
Tel: (206) 443-1777
Fax: (206) 443-1782
Tell them you are thinking about retiring to Vancouver in about a year
and you would like to have all the applications, guides, and brochures
they can give you. Although I've had first-hand experience with a
similar situation and so am just able to "talk off the top of my
head", the only other information I can give you is what I can find
online (online is a great source of information, but nothing replaces
phoning or going in person at the source). Although the Canadian
government's site is a good one, it would be wise to visit the
consulate (and make me happy too!). Besides, it's fun to spread out
all your "stuff" on the diningroom table and dream about what's to
come!
I hope I've been able to help (without repeating too much of what I
said the first time around), and it is important to me that you feel
satisfied with my answer and with this service - please get back in
touch if needed.
Very sincerely,
hummer
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