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WHY NO COMMA BEFOR JR. or SR.?
Published by: admin 2009-01-09
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    I really need specifics, please also don't include commas thanks do please post a Request for Clarification before rating and I'll come back to you
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    Language Mavens, this is for you: The trend in print these days seems to be to delete the old style comma before names ending in Jr. or Sr. I did a search of assorted grammar websites and found most say to drop the comma, although there are still some purists that say to keep it. But WHY did the comma get dropped? One Chicago style guide website said this goes back to 1993, but doesn't say why. An informal survey of people I know found that a famous book publisher still uses the comma, DETAILS Magazine does not, the NEW YORK TIMES does not. Is there a "definitive" judgment on the subject. . .or at least, an explanation of why it got dropped? I feel like something happened when I wasn't looking and nobody told me.
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  • http://www.press.uchicago.edu/News/manual_of_style.html. The section titled Chapter 8 explains the change as follows: ‘In differentiating male members of the same family who have identical names, the tradition of setting off Jr. and Sr. with commas while roman numeral designations are not is now given second place to the preferable practice of omitting commas in all such cases.’ The grammar doctor (a former teacher of English) at http://www.geocities.com/grammardoc5/jr.html states that both forms of punctuation, with or without the comma, are acceptable. Whether or not the comma is used depends on the style that a particular publisher chooses to use. Often publishers will produce their own style guide or have a policy of adhering to a particular style like the Chicago Style Guide or Elements of Style. In Elements of Style it is recommended that the comma before Jr. or Sr. should be used. It is therefore advisable to check the requirements of your publisher.>
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    But before rating this answer, please let me know if you run into any . CONTROLS INC USA Mitsubishi Heavy Industries LTD JPN WILLIAM WRIGLEY JR CL CM USA
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    WHY NO COMMA BEFOR JR. or SR.?::
    Subject: Re: WHY NO COMMA BEFOR JR. or SR.? Answered By: belindalevez-ga on 20 Mar 2003 10:02 PST Rated: 3 out of 5 stars
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    < chicago style guide 1993 jr changes> ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=chicago+style+guide+1993+jr&as_q=changes <://www.google.com/search?q=jr+punctuation&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N>


  • Belindalevez-ga- I don't mean to be difficult, but you have essentially told me what I already said in my query -- including quoting from one of the sources * I * quoted. I was hoping for a more thorough answer, delving deeper than these quick link grabs. I did those already. If you are saying there IS no further research to uncover on the subject, I guess I will accept it. Let me know.
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    The title should be geopolitical influence (not 'geoploitical'- editorial Request so that I may fully meet your needs before you assign a rating.
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  • Despite an extensive search there appears to be no other reason for changing the rule about the comma than the reason given in my answer. According to the forward of the book at http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=2VYAD66ZTA&btob=Y&ean=9780226103891&pwb=1&displayonly=PRF#PRF the Chicago Manual of Style aims to record the rules of English. Other books like Elements of Style also try to do the same. Although they agree on most rules, there are some differences in the way that they think English should be written. This subject is discussed in an interesting article at http://owlcroft.com/english/prescrip.html. It provides an insight into the making of rules in English and the current state of the English language. It explains that there are lots of guides telling us what is correct and incorrect English. There are also those who seek to simplify English. However ultimately we are free to speak and write English without being bound by rules.


  • Thank you, PinkF & Voila for the added insights. I realize you did answer my question in a literal way, Belindalevez, but I don't want to close it out yet with a rating because there still seems to be interest in the subject and some wider range of ideas about it coming in. This trend of no comma biz has immediately influenced me. . .I'm a TV producer and today, for an interview with Cuba Gooding Jr. that we're about to air, we took the comma out of his screen I.D. It felt strange to do it!





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